From Twitter 08-26-2010

27 08 2010
  • 12:32:31: Frenzy day at the office. Frenzy gaming tonight, too: Worms Reloaded, Scott Pilgrim, COH, maybe Shank. Oi, fall game releases…
  • 19:04:27: Poking through the Xbox Game Room. For a pile of Atari 2600 games these ate kinda overpriced and weakly emulated. No frills, bare bones.
  • 19:06:45: Also, 75 megs should not take 3 minutes to download. Xbox live bandwidth < Steam bandwidth.
  • 19:20:50: Crystal Castles without a trackball controller is neither crystalline, nor castling. Discuss. Also: Bought Megamania. We have a history.
  • 20:15:30: Played some of the Scott Pilgrim game. Man, even on lowest difficulty that’s a heck of a brawler; most enemies block and throws don’t help.
  • 20:29:35: Most basic brawler game (Final Fight) is a puzzle game; use throws to stack enemies to one side, control the crowd. SP is more technical.

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16 responses

27 08 2010
shachihoko

So, what exactly is the Big Deal(tm) about Scott Pilgrim? I’ve looked at one of the graphic novels (namely the most recent one) and I utterly fail to comprehend why the movie and game are deemed worthy of such hype …
The idea of brawlers as a puzzle game type amuses me greatly, though.

27 08 2010
pyromaniac_ks

Hipster nerd enthusiasm bandwagon, mostly.
The comic’s pretty good, but the entire Scott Pilgrim line of tie-in productions is also being ridiculously overhyped by people due to oooh subculture.
Oooh, subculture.

27 08 2010
Stefan "Twoflower" Gagne

I’m not coming from the right perspective to totally grasp the graphic novels — seems you need to be a 20-something who’s been in and out of love a lot, which is funny since Mal is about my age. But it’s fun, it’s light, it’s wacky, and it’s an enjoyable read. I enjoyed the movie more, since it streamlined things quite a bit.
The game is awesome because it takes Paul Robertson’s sprite artwork (Pirate Cabana Baby Street Battle, Kings of Power 4 Billion %) and marries it to Anamanaguchi’s amazing chiptune music and some really good brawler gameplay design. Even if you’re not that into the comics, the game’s worth a try.
As for “brawler as puzzle game” think about it. Your character’s strength is the ability to punch THROUGH multiple enemies at once, provided they’re kinda overlapping. So what you wanna do is use throws (walk into a guy to grab them, then tap attack with a direction to toss them there) to ‘stack’ all your enemies to one side or another. That forces them to a chokepoint where you can take out a bunch of them at once. Plus, throwing a guy at another guy does good damage and knockdown, which takes the pressure off you for a few moments.
In Scott Pilgrim, it’s much closer to the God of War style brawler in that you have a block button — and so do they, blocking many of your attacks. They also much more readily use the weapons that litter the screen. So, you need to be sharp on your timing, know when to use jump attacks, know how to counter, etc.

27 08 2010
kowh

The last comic book wasn’t quite as good as the earlier ones, especially not as a first exposure to the series.
That said, it really is narrowcasted to the grew-up-on-NES, manga-reading, 20-something crowd. If you’re part of that demographic it’s awesome, for others probably less so. I really liked the books and the movie, but then I’m part of the demographic. I also live in Toronto, which may have something to do with it.

27 08 2010
cmdr_zoom

The people who grew up on NES are 40, like me. Today’s 20-somethings grew up with Playstations.
Personally, I don’t care for it.

27 08 2010
Stefan "Twoflower" Gagne

That’s the weird thing — the disjoint between “I grew up on NES” and the current 20-something demo. For them, NES is more of a fake nostalgia / hipster thing since it existed before they did.
I think that’s the source of the backlash against Scott Pilgrim, that it jumps across two generations, one of which is suspicious of the other. Probably because Mal (who as noted is about my age) grew up in one, but is writing a story about the other.
In the director’s commentary for Scott Pilgrim, Edgar Wright noted he decided to disjoint the movie from any one particular era. There’s outdated technology from all over the spectrum in there — NES, VHS, DVD, cellphones, America Online, rotary dial phones, etc. Achieves a generic timeless-but-timed effect, like the art deco gotham city in the animated Batman series. Since we’re dealing with a fight-sequence-as-broadway-musical universe anyway, realism doesn’t matter much.

27 08 2010
cmdr_zoom

I still have my Playstation, and FF7 and WOXL. But I got it as an adult who’d already graduated from college.
I don’t like the blurring of lines I see in Scott Pilgrim, for reasons I’ve explained in my own journal. I also don’t care much for the current generation, but that’s another issue. And I should probably stop here before I get anyone else pissed at me.

27 08 2010
Stefan "Twoflower" Gagne

Edit’d my post because I misread, thought you were hatin’ on the PS1. My bad.

27 08 2010
kowh

It strikes me that 20-something is a poor descriptor, as there are really two cohorts in there. The early 20’s who have no personal experience with NES, and the late 20’s (of which I am one) who have extensive experience. But thirty-ish-to-forty-ish just doesn’t have the same ring to it.

27 08 2010
cmdr_zoom

Eh, no one cares about them anyway. They’re totally old and unhip.

27 08 2010
kowh

Just wait until the boomers die off, then you can run the world with the express purpose of annoying the current 20-somethings.

27 08 2010
cmdr_zoom

Nope, won’t happen. I mean, sure, they’ll die, eventually – after sticking us with the bill – but we’re never going to have any actual power. By then it will have been handed to those who came after, skipping us entirely.
“The rule is, jam tomorrow and jam yesterday, but never jam today.”

27 08 2010
meredy

Yeah, hyping stuff is always bad, and it’s even worse when lots of people like something and get slapped with a misnomer like “hipster” for it. Good thing that every time someone says Scott Pilgrim is “hipster” you can replace Scott Pilgrim with ANYTHING and have it make as much sense.
Keep in mind that hipsters are supposed to be the elite of the elite, and they hate Scott Pilgrim. So please stop using “hipster” to refer to something lots of people like. You know what word fits that better? POPULAR.

27 08 2010
Stefan "Twoflower" Gagne

On top of that, SP bombed at the box office. So A) it wasn’t really massively popular and B) maybe they SHOULD have hyped it more.

28 08 2010
sptrashcan

Quick note on Scott Pilgrim difficulty: due to the fact that it has RPG/River City Ransom style advancement, the game is a lot harder at the beginning than it is after you’ve leveled up a bit. Run the first level a few times, buying stat boost items and not worrying about dying (you’ll just continue with 3 new lives and no loss of money, stats, or XP). Then the rest of the game is pretty easy.
As for technical, the moveset is a bit more extensive than Final Fight, but I didn’t find it onerously complex. YMMV.

28 08 2010
Stefan "Twoflower" Gagne

Yeah, by the time I’d bought a few items from shops (out of loyalty to Mal, I bought Lost at Sea and the Kupek album) I’d gotten better. A few more grinds and my widdle Kim Pine will be kickin’ all sorts of ass in a sassy manner.

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